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Making Herman – The Sweet Sourdough Starter

Herman is the sweet sourdough starter that can be used to in many different recipes – from cakes to bread to pancakes. Making Herman is a fun and rewarding experience. Try with kids for an even more wondrous experience!


Herman - the sweet sourdough strter for friendship breads, cakes and such

Herman is a sweet sourdough starter that can be used to make bread, cakes, pancakes, English muffins and a variety of other yum goodies. Making a Herman starter requires only a few ingredients and is a good kitchen science experiment to do with little kids.

The Tradition of Friendship Bread

Bakers have been making and handing down starters for ages. One reason is that a mature starter has more distinct and complex flavors than a fresh starter. Starting out with a mature starter makes it easier to get that coveted sourdough flavor.

A pure wild yeast sourdough starter has just 2 ingredients – water and flour. When combined these two create the perfect breeding ground for wild yeast and certain bacteria. Over time with proper maintenance, this becomes the magic ingredient that makes your ordinary white bread into something exceptional.

Herman, on the other hand, is a sweet sourdough starter. There is active dry yeast, the commercially available yeast, which kick starts the fermentation. There is plenty of sugar, which provides enough food for the yeast, and finally, there is milk. I am guessing that the presence of milk is to provide lactobacilli, but I am no microbiologist.

Starter Safety

The milk the starter will cause some concern to the food safety experts. But when properly maintained the acidity in the mixture will prevent harmful bacteria from taking hold in the mix. You could do a ph check, but I don’t.

I rely on my nose and eyes. A good starter should smell good – tangy to sweet depending on the acidity level. If it smells foul, into the trash it goes. Similarly, the starter should be white or off white, but never orange, red, blue, gree…… All these indicate the presence of mold or other bacteria taking hold. There are instances when you might want to grow these, but Herman is not one of them. Again into the trash, it goes.

The starter in the above picture looks off white – closer to yellow than white. This is because I use raw sugar and unbleached flour, and this is OK . But if it begins to turn orange or orangish red that is a sure sign that something has gone wrong.

Once you spot mold, discoloration or foul smell do not try to salvage the starter. Chances are the mold spores and the bacterium has already spread through the mix. It is time to seek out  Herman lovers – or go to the herman project . Those guys might be able to help you.

My First Herman

I was introduced to it by a friend, who was handed down a starter that she could not maintain any longer. The recipe was for ‘Amish Friendship Bread’. It was intriguing as the recipe called for taking care of the starter and distributing it to your friends. Kind of like a culinary chain letter.

 At this point I have to confess – I did not do a good job of taking care of Herman. I did not like chain letters either!

The Name – Why Herman, Why Not Harry or William or Krishna

Bakers are odd people – if I may so. We love to nurture things that don’t talk back to us. And once we get attached to something we are it – Yes, my regular sourdough starter has a name too. But this guy is Herman, and yes it is HE.

So anyway someone named their sourdough starter Herman and it struck a chord with the recipients. Maybe the recipe that accompanied Herman was extra special – maybe there was a story that was handed down. Maybe it was just the simple idea of creating your own Herman story.

Note: Scroll down to the comments – one reader has kindly shared the origin behind the name

Ingredients to make herman starter

Herman Recipes

There are plenty of Herman recipes. The ingredients and method are pretty much the same. Quite often these recipes come with this warning “DO NOT USE METAL SPOON”! I remember this warning when I got my first starter.

These recipes were handed down generations to generations. A properly cared for Herman can live to be centuries old. Quite possibly when the recipes were first perfected and handed down the metal utensils would have been of the reactive/corrosive variety. These would have interfered with the acidity of the starter and the chemical reactions would have leached aluminum compounds (or whatever were used at that time) into the starter. Hence the warning.

Fortunately most cookware today are not reactive. I make my sourdough dough in the KA steel bowl and many of us who regularly make no-knead bread let the dough slow rise in a metal bowl for days – with no adverse effects. So I guess the key is “USE NON REACTIVE UTENSILS”.

Another thing that the recipes used to say is “Do not refrigerate”. From a food safety standpoint, refrigeration is advisable, but not always needed. Read on …

Storage – Into the Fridge or Not

That depends on where you live or what the weather is like. If it is warm say the mid 70s or more refrigerate Herman an hour or two after feeding. This has given it enough time to get active. If the room temperature is cold say less than 70 it is pretty safe to leave it outside. In any case, once the starter is bubbling vigorously transfer to the fridge to keep it healthy. If you choose to leave it at room temperature, check on it every day just to make sure.

One of the most popular recipes to make with Herman starter is the Amish friendship bread. But here are two other recipes for you to be excited about – Sourdough Pancakes and Herman Cake.

Daily Care

Most recipes ask you to check and stir Herman every day. It will not ruin the starter if you don’t do it every day, especially if it is refrigerated. When not stirred daily there is a chance for the flour portion of the starter to coalesce. Eventually the liquid begins to separate. It is not a big issue as with a bit of elbow grease the solids can be stirred back into the liquids. The regular stirring prevents some of the separations. It is also a fun way to keep the bubbling in check.

Making Herman With Kids – Ideas to Try

This is a great activity for elementary to middle school kids. It is a good way to introduce food safety principles to ph values. Here are a few ideas

  • Have litmus paper handy and check the ph value over the course of 10 days.
  • Have the kids watch and stir down the starter every day. Mark the height of the starter before stirring.
  • Let a portion of Herman stay on the counter for 10 days, while the other gets refrigerated and fed on the 5th day. Observe both starters.

Even without a planned activity making Herman starter can be an interesting project for kids. Bake the Herman Cake as a reward.

A bowl with bubbly starter.

Herman Sourdough Starter

By Syama
This is the sweet sourdough starter used to make friendship breads, cakes and many other baked and fried treats. It is a hybrid starter as it uses active dry yeast to start the ball rolling. It is a little sweeter than usual sourdough starters and makes excellent breakfast toasts.
5 from 3 votes


Starter Base

  • 1 C Water
  • 1 C Flour
  • ¼ C Sugar
  • 2 ¼ Tsp Active Dry Yeast


  • 1 C Flour
  • 1 C Milk
  • ½ C Sugar


  • Glass or any non reactive container large enough to hold 8 cups of liquid.
  • Non reactive spatula/spoon.


Making the Starter Base

  •  Add 1 C water, 1 C Flour, ¼ C Sugar and 2 ¼ Tsp active dry yeast  into the non reactive container.  Mix well using a wooden or  any non reactive spoon.  Cover lightly, Do not tighten the lid (Notes) . Set aside loosely covered. 
  • If you are in a warm climate refrigerate the starter after a few hours,else it can be left on the counter for a day. Take the starter out on the third day. Stir down and return back to fridge. On the fifth day take the starter out, stir down and divide into two equal portions.

Feeding the Starter

  • Day1 –  Add 1 C milk, 1C Flour, and ½ C sugar to half portion starter. Mix  well and set aside. Refrigerate the starter after a few hours or when the starter begins to show lots of bubbles(see blog for more). Check on every (other) day to see the activity stir down if it has risen too much and on the fifth day it is ready to use.
  • Day 2 –  Check  on the starter and  stir with a wooden spoon or do nothing. 
  • Day 3 – Check on the starter and stir with a wooden spoon or do nothing. 
  • Day 4 – Check on the starter and stir with a wooden spoon or do nothing. 
  • Day 5 – Check on the starter and stir with a wooden spoon. 
    Divide and repeat the feeding process if you want to maintain the starter, or use in a recipe.


  • During the fermentation process  excess  gases (CO2) is created.  A  tight lid will cause the gases to build up and  might lead to unwanted  spill and explosive conditions later. 
  • If you give away the starter include the feeding directions.
  • The refrigerated starter can be safely left unattended for 5 to 6 days.
  • The strength of yeast activity reduces as it stays longer.

Important: Nutrition Values are estimates. Actuals vary based on ingredients and serving size.

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Tips to Prevent Herman Disasters

Those who grew up with cultured foods would find safety concerns a bit absurd, but starters can pose a health hazard when not taken care of properly. Fortunately, most health concerns, though not taste concerns, are alleviated by cooking foods to the proper internal temperatures. Here are a few things to keep you healthy and the starter thriving.

  •  Use high-quality organic ingredients when making a starter
  • Observe food safety rules – clean utensils, no cross contamination
  • A good starter will tangy in a good way – not overpowering.
  • If you spot mold, reddish/orangish liquid or coloring throw it out and start over.
  • The above rule is the reason to be extremely careful when using fruit juices in the  starter.
  • After a few hours on the counter at room temperature keep the starter in the fridge.

Recipes using Herman Starter

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Recipe Rating

S Parry

Wednesday 27th of January 2021

Hi I've been given the Herman the German Friendship cake starter and wondered if I cook 1 part, pass two on then keep one do I just need to keep stiring to keep it alive? Or should I regularly add something? The recipe states every 3/4 days to add 1 cup flour/milk & sugar. That's quite a lot to keep adding. I'm not wanting to bake again for a while so if there a way to maintain the sourdough until I want to use it again? Thanks in advance.


Thursday 28th of January 2021

To maintain a healthy starter you have to feed it. Since you do not want to bake for sometime you can either maintain a low quantity of starter, say instead of 1C use 1/4 C. When you do this just remember to divide all ingredients by the same number. Another option is to dry some starter. Spread a little starter evenly on a parchment paper and let it dry on the counter or in the oven (do not heat the oven) with the light on. Use the dried starter as part of your flour and reconstitute using the feeding schedule you have. Hope it helps, - Syama.


Monday 27th of July 2020

Hi I was given a sourdough starter - but used to have a Herman in the 80s- and the recipes were easier and more versatile than the usual sourdough recipes Can I use regular sourdough starter in Herman recipes?


Thursday 30th of July 2020

I am afraid the answer is not simple. Herman starter is sweeter and milder than regular sourdough starters, so a 1-1 substitution will change the end results somewhat. You may have to adjust the recipe to add more sugar and/or substitute milk for water and adjust the rising times to achieve the similar end results. You will be able to find a good substitution ratio after a few tries. Thanks, Syama.

Kimberly Kostuik

Monday 29th of June 2020

It sure does, so today is the day I cook it. Do you have a link to how to cook it? Im interested in Bread, pancakes & the cake.

Thank you again for all your help!



Monday 29th of June 2020

The recipe links are added to the post - Herman milk bread and coffee cake use Herman starter. For the pancake - use the sourdough pancake recipe (link in the post) and substitute Herman Starter for the regular sourdough starter.

Happy baking! Syama.

Kimberly Kostuik

Wednesday 24th of June 2020

Hey, Im confused on the Divide part. After I divide it and start one part feeding. The 2nd part... do I add anything to it? Just seems like it would get smaller and smaller. And I want to share it with my friends.

Help in the kitchen,




Thursday 25th of June 2020

Hi Kimberly, Once you divide, use on portion to cook with or give away and the feed other portion for the next batch. So you will end up with the same amount of starter before you divided it.

The recipes will have instructions on how to incorporate the starter.

Hope that makes it clearer. Thanks, Syama.

Anna Starr

Tuesday 19th of May 2020

Hello, I am starting Herman today. I’m a little confused on the directions. I do live in a warm climate. Am I suppose to put in the refrigerator on the very first day for a few hours, pull it out for a day, and then put back in the refrigerator? I just need some clarification on that. Thanks.


Wednesday 20th of May 2020

Hi Anna, If it is warm in the house keep it in the fridge after an hour or so on the first day itself. when you check the starter the next day, if it hasn't shown any activity leave it on the counter for a couple of hours to become active. Return to the fridge. Refrigeration is not an absolute necessity, but I look at it like an added insurance. This way no damage will be done even if you forget about it for a day or two or don't use it on the 5th day itself. Hope this makes it clearer. - Sayma.